2026-03-26T02:41:40 Do the music mods in expanded-vanilla add more explore music? (im using the default automatic install). It seems no matter where I go on Vvardenfell, if Im outside the same default explore tracks play from [gamedir]/Data Files/Music/Explore And not the explore tracks from the MUSE addons? Is this expected, and the addons are for specific regions? I'm tempted to copy all the music from the data folders into the /Explore directory. 2026-03-26T02:41:40 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1486555707581923389/image.png?ex=69c5ee63&is=69c49ce3&hm=c95a999c11a649eaf3e1f9840aa62a4b86c5e078715e31825c261719b2f954f2& 2026-03-26T02:43:20 Turning on debug mode I can see S3maphore doing its thing: 2026-03-26T02:43:22 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1486556135824687165/image.png?ex=69c5eec9&is=69c49d49&hm=853cc3b825d5bc51f160afc66422946776e31547fc818656e8b3f6e6d623bc31& 2026-03-26T03:03:07 Interesting, setting this to NO and heard new music in Balmora for what I believe is the first time. 2026-03-26T03:03:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1486561108595835031/image.png?ex=69c5f36b&is=69c4a1eb&hm=852cf72fdf4c49840eba16944007e20e70423108932dee2a14bdda38b345acfe& 2026-03-26T03:30:52 That definitely doesn't have anything to do with it 2026-03-26T03:31:59 Muse expansions don't cover most of the exterior areas, although you should definitely get Hlaalu in Balmora 2026-03-26T03:33:06 The MUSE playlists are higher priority than the Explore ones so they should always be playing; I get the impression maybe you just shuffled something around and it correctly recognized the MUSE playlists 2026-03-26T03:33:37 Feel free to turn finish previous track back on, you probably want that enabled, in fact the setting was so ridiculously heavily demanded it'll probably be removed in the next version 2026-03-26T03:36:16 The way that the MUSE playlists are configured presently means they will never play the original explore playlist, so, if this happened at all it suggests either the playlist or the tracks weren't being seen. 2026-03-26T04:35:12 Thanks for your response @S3c:tor ! Interesting, ok I must have something wrong because the original explore is all that I hear for the most part. I used the automatic installer so it must be somehow I re-ordered things. Regarding "Finish Previous Track", the immediate changing track on entering a new location is imo refreshing, but you say most other players dont like this? 2026-03-26T04:37:14 Im on linux btw. Could be related to casing file paths, ill test that. 2026-03-26T06:39:44 > The way that the MUSE playlists are configured presently means they will never play the original explore playlist Can you confirm this? I note for example, the region folders are empty in the data files, for example "bitter coast region". I understand MUSE allows other mods to add music for regions - I understand that - but Im wondering if the expanded-vanilla configuration is expected to add music for exploring; or, if 2026-03-26T06:39:44 alternatively I encountered a bug? 2026-03-26T06:39:45 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1486615618609352745/image.png?ex=69c6262f&is=69c4d4af&hm=a19fdddb8f9a47ebf20a63bc0569cb24a4caeba6b3d028170ccb7916d07305ee& 2026-03-26T08:11:59 Okay, so I ported the Morrowind Music Overdose library (originally for MUSE 2/MWSE) into S3maphore. Since the original Overdose scripts are MWSE-only, I rewrote the logic in Lua so it works natively in OpenMW. If anyone is interested in the .lua playlist files Ill share them here. I also had Google Gemini review everything for collisions. In short, merge this folder into your "03 Muse Expansion Playlists/Playlists" folder, and and 2026-03-26T08:11:59 merge the music files from the 'Morrowind Music Overdose' folders into the matching directories in Music/ms/cell/ This merges all of the music, without needing Muse 2. 2026-03-26T08:12:00 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1486638835428229141/03_Muse_Expansion_Playlists.zip?ex=69c63bce&is=69c4ea4e&hm=3ee2b76d8c5d67f032fbe23343e91e437e327114074faea0d36e94d42eab80d0& 2026-03-26T12:28:58 Anyone know of other Armor Mods to fill in the gaps left by this mod with similarly good armor redesigns? Always felt armor is one of the only places I can't find more modern-looking replacers for with the goal of modernizing Morrowind, then I found this mod and was super excited before realizing it does not cover everything, meaning these armors would stand out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of the game: 2026-03-26T12:28:59 https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57486 2026-03-26T12:32:12 Honestly have zero clue how to improve Morrowind armor for my LO, this is just the first few that seem more modern quality-wise. 2026-03-26T13:32:04 <.dundar> does modding openmw accept donations? i've been playing the expanded vanilla list with automatic install and it's an unbelievably good service for free 2026-03-26T13:58:28 <.gonzo.> hey i appreciate you asking. we don't have anything like that set up, but some of the openmw developers do, and you should fund that project way above ours 2026-03-26T14:30:21 Nice. I'll probably add this. 2026-03-26T14:32:06 Yeah, originally it would always switch tracks instantly, but letting tracks finish whatever they were playing was super popular demand. 2026-03-26T14:32:31 I actually liked it with immediate track switches too and tbh never even really thought about it much 2026-03-26T14:33:05 <.arrean> Immediate track switching mimics a lot of other games, and also matches the combat music behaviour 2026-03-26T14:33:28 <.arrean> So I'm in favour of keeping it as an option 2026-03-26T14:33:53 It's mostly the overworld track switches that get annoying. 2026-03-26T14:34:09 Like, turn that setting off, and go wander around just outside Balmora for a little bit 2026-03-26T14:34:34 <.arrean> I have it off, but I haven't really been to Vvardenfell in rl weeks 2026-03-26T14:34:41 Then all the sudden you're going Explore/Hlaalu/Explore/Hlaalu on accident every couple minutes 2026-03-26T14:34:45 <.arrean> probably not noticing it as much cause TR has fewer tracks in general 2026-03-26T14:35:14 In TR you'd really only see it in the areas where it falls back to vanilla music 2026-03-26T14:36:18 <.arrean> Yeah, I can see how it would be annoying. Still - I understand why it's there and maybe it should be on by default, but I wanted to voice my support for keeping it 2026-03-26T14:36:49 Oh totally. 2026-03-26T14:37:15 I'm not opposed to keeping the option but I admit some surprise tbh 2026-03-26T14:38:42 <.arrean> 🤷‍♂️ 2026-03-26T14:54:06 I probably would rn not gonna lie 😄 2026-03-26T14:57:35 <.dundar> if you send a ko-fi or buymeacoffee link or something i can send a donation 🙂 2026-03-26T18:36:08 I'd only be comfortable donating to it if I knew a portion of it went to the actual modders themselves 2026-03-26T18:36:25 otherwise it feels like paying someone for someone else's work to a degree 2026-03-26T18:43:46 That's not an entirely unfair stance but I would like to say as someone who contributes to both projects and also makes mods, the MOMW gang probably puts in as much or more work organizationally than anybody else 2026-03-26T18:44:20 It's genuinely an insane amount of work, spanning approximately a dozen applications or more, a hundred repositories, and more build scripts and automation than most people will ever see 2026-03-26T18:44:42 Plus we do packaging and distribution in the AUR and self publish on multiple platforms too 2026-03-26T18:45:29 Not that I'm trying to sway you or whatever, but, I think it's pretty easy to underestimate how much work they put in, is all. 2026-03-26T18:48:47 Donating to modlist makers is also just the norm on Skyrim it seems 2026-03-26T18:49:35 Yeah, totally. 2026-03-26T18:51:13 I think it's pretty wild we don't accept donos at the org level but I'm also not really interested to try pressing that button, y'know 2026-03-26T18:51:34 Besides the fact that I'm not in charge, that's just a mess to maintain. 2026-03-26T18:52:42 I think this is one place POTI probably gets off easy because I would think donos go directly to clayby but idk, he does have a team under him 2026-03-26T19:10:33 <.hemaris> i feel like you would have to combine a lot of donations in order for any amount of money to make its way to the individual modders, after transaction fees 2026-03-26T19:11:39 There basically would be no way on Earth to do that anyway 2026-03-26T19:11:55 The only modders I know I can reliably get funds to are, uh, me 2026-03-26T19:12:07 I'm not being facetious at all lol 2026-03-26T19:12:22 Many are gone, don't want donations, or just can't really be reached, etc 2026-03-26T19:12:55 <.hemaris> list with a thousand mods on it. you donate 20 bucks. that divides to 2 cents per mod author. credit card transaction fees are 30 cents minimum plus a percentage 2026-03-26T19:13:12 At that point just slip MD a 20, you know 2026-03-26T19:14:38 And then you also have to account for multi author mods 2026-03-26T19:14:48 Madness teams dividing pennies 2026-03-26T19:16:36 I think at least for skyrim nexus does some payouts based on downloads or something? So just including a mod in a list big enough leads to them earning 2026-03-26T19:16:50 Oh yeah. 2026-03-26T19:16:59 I've made about $20 off S3maphore 2026-03-26T19:17:11 The downloads are the issue really 2026-03-26T19:17:25 Cuz for Skyrim modders they legitimately pull enough numbers to make a living 2026-03-26T19:17:51 It's like a conversion rate of $1/1KDP which for us is awful but for them.... 2026-03-26T19:18:19 It's not even a Skyrim Nexus thing, it's more of a, "Skyrim modders get enough downloads that this actually matters" 2026-03-26T19:18:46 Actually I guess it might be closer to... Hm 2026-03-26T19:19:02 I'm pretty sure it's higher than 20 tbh but less than 100 over approximately a year 2026-03-26T19:20:26 Makes sense, just didn't want to make it seem like Morrowind modders were making a ton off it, didn't know the limits etc 😅 2026-03-26T19:24:31 Oh, no, they don't, at all. 2026-03-26T19:24:50 It's actually kind of an interesting ethical dilemma that leads me not to touch modlist content, like, ever 2026-03-26T19:25:09 People already accuse me of cheating in all kinds of ways I don't actually need to 2026-03-26T19:26:01 Legitimately automation is the most profitable thing this community has ever seen 2026-03-26T19:26:35 If you look at the numbers on S3maphore I'm pretty sure it is easily one of the mods ever per like. The amount of time it has existed 2026-03-26T19:27:02 Less than a year, 35K unique I think? 2026-03-26T19:27:42 Which probably doesn't sound like much, but, look at MGE XE 2026-03-26T19:29:42 They have 720K unique over a period of 15 years which gets you about 131 downloads a day over 15 years. In ten months I've gotten 27,200 downloads on S3maphore, which is about 90 a day 2026-03-26T19:30:30 <.hemaris> and you're doing this in days when morrowind is an additional 15 years older 2026-03-26T19:31:18 It's completely rewritten our economy of scale 2026-03-26T19:31:39 You even notice DEG talking about this in the annual roundups 2026-03-26T19:32:33 The profitability of the automation of it all is actually the silent lynchpin that makes this all work. 👋 2026-03-26T19:34:12 <.hemaris> i wonder what is the conversion rate from all these automated modlist installer users, who would not have bothered otherwise, into new morrowind mod authors 2026-03-26T19:34:39 Anecdotally I think it's gotta be huge. 2026-03-26T19:35:03 I've talked to two people in that many days who have expressed, "I installed a MOMW modlist, and then started doing X" 2026-03-26T19:35:11 <.hemaris> that's cool 2026-03-26T19:36:58 <.hemaris> hey i have a completely selfless idea with no ulterior motivation behind it. you should make the installer check if blender is installed and ask if they also want to get the io_scene_mw blender plugin 2026-03-26T19:37:37 Lemme th1nk for a s3c. 2026-03-26T19:38:03 Yeah we could do that pretty easy. 2026-03-26T19:43:27 <.gonzo.> @sourkebab if you're on windows the config file you need to change is in Documents\My Games\Alpha3 2026-03-26T20:10:00 I only have like 50 patches and 50 files included. 🥲 2026-03-26T20:11:14 to be clear, not saying you guys aren't doing work too 2026-03-26T20:11:21 but its just the value of the end product wasn't ENTIRELY produced by you 2026-03-26T20:11:34 but you'd be getting the ENTIRETY of the donation 2026-03-26T20:11:34 feels wrong 2026-03-26T20:18:50 Sure but saying we're not modders is not even remotely true. Half of our lua stack is powered by ourselves. The modders also get about 20$ a file yearly from the lists in proxy. I've never once asked for a donation but I don't feel bad about taking one either. 2026-03-26T20:21:07 Well that's why I was elaborating on like, our part in it. 2026-03-26T20:21:23 Because hypothetically like it's not really the specific mods you are getting value from. 2026-03-26T20:21:43 It's the hundreds of hours of testing and recombining and developing that you derive value from as a player. 2026-03-26T20:23:00 So like if Interface Reimagined blows up when .50 drops and we need to coordinate across the community to fix it and unbreak the lists .. hypothetically you didn't pay for IR, you paid us to keep it working 2026-03-26T20:23:32 That's fair. That said, yall haven't set up donations so it's all moot, lol 2026-03-26T20:23:55 some of the mods are an insane amount of work even compared to that though, like Tamriel Rebuilt 2026-03-26T20:24:28 I'm unsure about Sophie but my links at least are in the about page and the #donations channel. I believe it is just the two of us as individuals who do that atm. 2026-03-26T20:24:50 Oh, yeah, sure. Although TR is harder to, like 2026-03-26T20:25:28 oh yeah in terms of this problem its basically impossible. How many hands have been in it at this point? 2026-03-26T20:25:30 I can directly point my finger at Johnny hostile and say, "this guy made this website, and you should thank him for things he did", right? But TR is actually a massive staff with... Who knows how many contributors 2026-03-26T20:25:47 TR does donation drives to cover the hosting costs once in a blue moon 2026-03-26T20:25:57 Makes sense tbh. 2026-03-26T20:26:01 that makes sense yeah 2026-03-26T20:26:07 and I imagine the hosting cost isn't that high 2026-03-26T20:26:20 its a pretty basic website 2026-03-26T20:26:33 Does it even need hosted? 2026-03-26T20:26:45 I know you guys have some fancy stuff going on somewhere 2026-03-26T20:27:10 $100+/month 2026-03-26T20:27:16 yeesh, for what? 2026-03-26T20:27:27 TR and PT 2026-03-26T20:27:37 no I more mean, what about this website needs hosting that expensive? 2026-03-26T20:27:41 That's unbelievable 2026-03-26T20:27:48 what? 2026-03-26T20:27:53 it looks like a basic WordPress site of some sort 2026-03-26T20:28:13 It's gotta be storage 2026-03-26T20:28:37 the actual mod files don't appear to be on tamriel-rebuilt.org 2026-03-26T20:28:40 It's two forums, two more archival forums, a wiki... 2026-03-26T20:29:13 who is the hosting provider? 2026-03-26T20:29:20 There has to be at least one database up consider the claim staking thing 2026-03-26T20:29:32 So yea I guess that actually does check out 2026-03-26T20:30:03 I think the Discord bot is on there too these days 2026-03-26T20:30:14 maybe but cheap $20/month hosting usually includes access to a MySQL database, PHP support, etc. 2026-03-26T20:30:34 granted I haven't operated in this space in years so maybe prices have changed 2026-03-26T20:30:57 You usually end up paying for traffic more so than anything else. And there's a lot of that 2026-03-26T20:31:20 even with CloudFlare slapped in front of it? (yes I sniffed around, lol) 2026-03-26T20:31:43 CF cuts the bill in half or so and means the site stays up in this era of AI crawlers 2026-03-26T20:32:07 just do a static site on github and host it for free, lol 2026-03-26T20:32:33 Forums tho 2026-03-26T20:32:37 I actually kind of wonder if you can abuse github workflows to make a free dynamic site on github somehow 2026-03-26T20:32:53 The front page is basically the least interesting part to people actually doing stuff 2026-03-26T20:33:05 Well you just slap a cloud flare worker/Amazon lambda in where you need dynamic content 2026-03-26T20:33:16 lambda isn't free though 2026-03-26T20:33:24 my intent was to abuse free hosting on github, haha 2026-03-26T20:33:44 It's not but the first like 100K requests are 2026-03-26T20:33:57 Some number that makes the concern irrelevant at this scale 2026-03-26T20:33:59 ah yeah and I guess if its only ever triggered to make an update 2026-03-26T20:35:37 100K is like 24 hours 2026-03-26T20:35:55 <.hemaris> they've spent most of the last 2 years with the sites in under-attack mode 2026-03-26T20:36:45 Yea in fairness, we have too, I've completely abandoned doing any web hosting after seeing what's been happening behind the scenes for us 2026-03-26T20:37:11 <.hemaris> it seemed like someone was running a malicious DDoS attack with a leased botnet for a while, too 2026-03-26T20:37:14 I will never host a live website again unless there is ABSOLUTELY no alternative (typically this is only game servers which only I log into anyway) 2026-03-26T20:37:28 I feel like I am tempting fate by even mentioning this 2026-03-26T20:37:36 but the Arch repos even keep having issues going down due to DDoS 2026-03-26T20:37:41 who the F is ddosing Arch? why? 2026-03-26T20:38:06 The people who got sick of the "btw" probably 2026-03-26T20:38:35 Well, if I were doing such attacks 2026-03-26T20:38:46 If I Did It (tm) 2026-03-26T20:38:50 It would probably be because I was a nation state attempting to cripple the West's digital supply chain 2026-03-26T20:39:13 is Arch really "the west"? 2026-03-26T20:39:30 <.hemaris> if you were doing those attacks you would be doing it because it was funny for some stupid in-joke reason 2026-03-26T20:39:33 Physically speaking the mirrors are largely in US/EU so yes 2026-03-26T20:39:35 I doubt its even the distro being used by governments most of the time 2026-03-26T20:39:46 Yeah the glowies like Red Hat 2026-03-26T20:39:50 I assume RHEL has that on lock 2026-03-26T20:40:15 the only people you're bothering by ddosing arch are tech hobbyists 2026-03-26T20:40:16 You'd probably hit plenty of CI/CD stuff 2026-03-26T20:40:26 That is very true 2026-03-26T20:40:34 Maybe kubernetes clusters 2026-03-26T20:40:36 And the fact that nobody else would even know why would make it even funnier 2026-03-26T20:41:02 I guess but all you'd do is make updating fail. They'd still WORK 2026-03-26T20:41:22 Well, it depends I guess, on what you want 2026-03-26T20:41:38 its been a while though so fingers crossed 2026-03-26T20:41:47 oh actually i was wrong, and this gets even stupider 2026-03-26T20:41:50 it wasn't the Arch repos 2026-03-26T20:41:51 it was the AUR 2026-03-26T20:41:55 <.hemaris> like, "who is ddosing arch" who is ddosing a mod for a 24 year old game lmao 2026-03-26T20:42:16 I feel like that one's easily more personal 2026-03-26T20:42:18 Id assume it was some subset of the morrowindnazis like that watchdog guy 2026-03-26T20:42:29 dare I ask who the morrowindnazis are? 2026-03-26T20:43:04 See it turns out that the game full of racism... 2026-03-26T20:43:11 And slavery 2026-03-26T20:43:20 fictional racism between fictional races in a fictional world, but yes, lol 2026-03-26T20:43:30 prob mad about TR being woke or whatever. Doesnt have enough slavery and nationalism for them. 2026-03-26T20:43:41 Some people hear the moral and see a dog whistle, you know 2026-03-26T20:44:00 "nationalism sucks" seems like a theme in both Morrowind and Skyrim 2026-03-26T20:44:08 <.hemaris> you know the meme where a gundam is launching a "war is bad" missile over the head of a guy saying "wow! cool robot" 2026-03-26T20:44:20 One that we tend almost never to learn lol 2026-03-26T20:44:48 just tell them Vivec is non-binary and make them lose their shit haha 2026-03-26T20:44:55 By the way, Battle Born here, down with the Stormcloaks 2026-03-26T20:45:06 Only the Empire can stand up to DE THALMORE 2026-03-26T20:45:12 Get @ me 2026-03-26T20:45:20 @S3c:tor 2026-03-26T20:45:27 Skyrim for all its real faults did have some cool layering on that theme though 2026-03-26T20:45:50 like the Empire was colonizing Skyrim (per some of them), but then the Skyrim people colonized the Reachmen, so its kind of hypocritical 2026-03-26T20:46:02 and the god they want to worship, Talos, was an imperial god, not a traditional Skyrim god 2026-03-26T20:46:10 so its all sorts of convoluted and wacky 2026-03-26T20:46:47 but yes I get your point, I assume these are the same people that play New Vegas to LARP as fascists 2026-03-26T20:48:38 The game legit though attracts these weirdos like almost in any discord or channel. I randomly joined the morrowind enhanced textures discord to check on it and there where these 2 guys making various racist npcs like hitlers face on them and similar and I had to message DassiD about it. We have seen it so many times its suprising but yeah just how it is 2026-03-26T20:49:53 I believe it 2026-03-26T20:50:26 They really like the #off-topic channels 2026-03-26T20:50:47 As a moderator your most important job is to keep that channel interesting so they don't take it over 2026-03-26T20:50:53 /S 2026-03-26T20:51:11 But anyway 2026-03-26T20:51:13 Step 1: ban everyone who uses it 2026-03-26T20:51:45 anyway sector I sent you $5 so enjoy a coffee or donut or whatever you're into 2026-03-26T20:51:50 THIS ARMY DOESN'T HAVE THE LOGISTICAL OR MATERIAL SUPPORT IT NEEDS TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO GOING TOE TO TOE WITH THE GOLDEN MAGIC WIZARDS WHO OWN THE PLANET 2026-03-26T20:52:08 Thank you I have a caffeine headache 2026-03-26T20:52:27 You say that like they don't respawn endlessly 2026-03-26T20:52:28 I quit caffeine a year ago 2026-03-26T20:52:43 <.hemaris> moved onto stronger stuff, eh 2026-03-26T20:52:54 the trick is to ween yourself off instead of going cold turkey 2026-03-26T20:52:56 <.hemaris> like getting enough sleep 2026-03-26T20:53:13 I just slap myself with a fish in the face when I feel tired 2026-03-26T20:53:34 What happens to the fish when you're not tired? 2026-03-26T20:54:19 I dunno, I'm not its keeper 2026-03-26T20:54:44 I assume it does fish things 2026-03-26T20:54:54