2026-04-20T00:24:22 what's the powershell command to update my modpack install again? windows, total overhaul 2026-04-20T00:28:09 nvm I think I found it 2026-04-20T00:29:03 yep, we're updating 2026-04-20T00:32:13 aaaand Daedric Shrine Overhaul FULL.esp is missing or in the wrong order 2026-04-20T00:40:35 Why is it always the Daedric shrines 2026-04-20T02:22:14 oh great and now my fatigue is bugged 2026-04-20T02:30:04 and my wonverine hall is still messed up! damn I wrecked my install for nothing 2026-04-20T02:36:14 fatigue is bugged on new characters too 2026-04-20T02:38:40 the only thing I can think of to try is a complete uninstall and clean reinstall 2026-04-20T02:39:03 plus redownload 2026-04-20T02:39:13 hmmmm 2026-04-20T02:39:23 maybe gonna try that later 2026-04-20T08:33:42 which of the voice actors were against the AI lines? 2026-04-20T08:34:44 buzzkills ngl 2026-04-20T08:35:02 >a real VA doing my same exact voice is fine tho 2026-04-20T08:35:04 meh 2026-04-20T08:54:05 actually quite a few of the mods are quite old, like 2008-9 old that got removed. Isn't only audio books and quest voice greetings actually AI? 2026-04-20T08:56:04 I'm not like trying to dispute it, just a bit confused why those got removed as well. 2026-04-20T10:02:13 <.gonzo.> Idk would you really feel any different if you were in their shoes? It's a lil creepy 2026-04-20T10:02:57 <.gonzo.> Someone had an idea to use Claude to decompile a game and I was like hey you know you're giving proprietary code to a code stealing robot you know 2026-04-20T10:58:34 <.dwino> Is that alrady a thing? 2026-04-20T10:59:02 <.dwino> Like you can point an agent to an executable and ask to decompile it? 2026-04-20T11:01:17 <.gonzo.> https://github.com/lauriewired/ghidramcp 2026-04-20T11:01:50 <.dwino> wtf 2026-04-20T11:01:51 <.dwino> crazy 2026-04-20T11:07:36 <.dwino> Yeah I kinda agree with you. After talking about it here I learned I was being kinda hypocritical about this. I was really critical of AI in general but here I was like 'what's the harm'. 2026-04-20T11:07:59 <.dwino> That usually points to just not understanding what the harm is. 2026-04-20T11:08:26 <.dwino> It's not because it's a game, and an old game that the ethical issues dissapear. 2026-04-20T11:09:50 <.gonzo.> it doesn't seem too far removed from some of the worst things you can do with ai-generation and celebrities. i think it's a taboo that should be avoided 2026-04-20T11:10:51 <.gonzo.> like think about reddit dagoth ur lol 2026-04-20T11:11:00 <.dwino> And being ok with a real VA doing the same lines actually does make sense to me 2026-04-20T11:11:04 <.gonzo.> sure it's got some funny lines, but i wouldn't want to be the voice behind some of them 2026-04-20T11:27:47 Anyone know how to remove the Bards of Bardenfell from the expanded vanilla pack 2026-04-20T11:28:08 It's a cute idea but I'm not trying to stand there with him yelling at me 2026-04-20T11:32:07 <.gonzo.> you should be able to just uncheck the .esp in the launcher and run the configurator again with the --only-tools parameter so that delta doesn't get mad that you removed it 2026-04-20T11:34:37 thank you 2026-04-20T11:40:46 also should defintely have older versions of mod packs because I get the whole AI issues but you cant have your cake and eat it too 2026-04-20T11:43:13 <.gonzo.> i don't know what you mean. there's nothing stopping you from adding them back in. it's not like they were made incompatible somehow 2026-04-20T11:44:18 i'm saying for users who probably watched a older youtube video and saw what the modpack had to offer but it's essentially removing a lot of what people would say is "quality of life." 2026-04-20T11:44:53 I know it's as simple as adding them back and that is it (hopefully you don't have to switch the order it is in since that just becomes a hassle in itself) 2026-04-20T11:45:22 but I'll feel like someone who wants a plug-in play is just going to be frustrated with the thought that they're not getting something that makes the game more alive (to some) 2026-04-20T11:45:31 There's nothing stopping you from cloning an old release building locally and using cfg generator and --only-tools but no we won't provide that first party 2026-04-20T11:45:33 <.gonzo.> there will be new videos. the mod lists have evolved quite a bit over time, so i'm not really sure what the problem is 2026-04-20T11:46:49 never have I caused it as a problem all I really said was for older versions of a mod pack. which sophine answered 2026-04-20T12:04:44 as long as the model is not shared, which I'm assuming it wasn't, I'd think it's just fans doing fanbase things 2026-04-20T12:06:03 Idk, tbh, imo, if you're willing to work for the fanbase and make the lines yourself, good, but, otherwise, does it really matter who "steals your labour" if you're not working by choice? 2026-04-20T12:08:49 there's a reason voices can't really be copyrighted, and also music, which allows artists to legally remix one another. There would simply be too many conflicts 2026-04-20T12:09:12 (ignoring youtube ofc which is a clusterfuck for drm anyway) 2026-04-20T12:12:10 I would go as far as to say modding in itself is only ethically acceptable but you're essentially stealing work of others. you're rewriting intellectual property rights while also disrespecting by implying the OG creators work isn't good enough. lots of variables which at the end of the day, its not illegal just like AI voice but everyone has a stance no one wants to be in the wrong /shrug 2026-04-20T12:13:02 Is there a easy and surefire way to install two separate versions of OpenMW, one for TES3MP, one for just single player use? I wasn't sure where to put this and apologies if its a frequently asked question 2026-04-20T12:13:56 I did an installation last night after being walked through TES3MP a week or two back using UMO and automatic install instructions and it changed checksums on the TES3MP and didn't seem to install properly so I ended up having overlap 2026-04-20T12:16:55 Idk, knowing the devs released a modding toolkit I'd say any mods using the original tools are perfectly ethical. Now script extenders are straining that logic, but as far as the original developers are most likely thinking, it's all fair game. I don't think Bethesda feels as if their income or intellectual property is in any danger, even in the unlikely case they go for a Morrowind remaster. Skyblivion receiving support from 2026-04-20T12:16:56 Bethesda is the proof of that. 2026-04-20T12:21:21 I agree with your terminology i'm not trying to argue it esp with fans are going to do fanbase things. im saying the argument with AI voices is the same argument people would have with modding where, yes, bethesda gave us the tools and of course we take it they'll want their game to be alive for years to come. but the argument of AI voices being where we draw the line is a bit silly. you're not doing anything horribly wrong and 2026-04-20T12:21:21 ethically at the moment it's very frown upon but for something that i would never equal out to... lets say a AI data center. now that's where you should have your pitchforks and torches. petty arguments with ai generative voices for a 20+ year old game is very much we have too much time in our hands and we should just enjoy the things in front of us 2026-04-20T12:22:35 I think it's the artists morally objecting to AI as a whole, which I kind of get it, but it seems like technophobia to me... 2026-04-20T12:24:14 now i know both things are art. but voice acting is probably the least to be scared of. digital art in itself is where I feel that's a big no-no. but someone voice i'm sorry but we literally have imprisonators 2026-04-20T12:24:43 I am wondering WHICH ones it was tho 🤔 probably breton, nord, and altmer, they seem like the most racist 2026-04-20T12:25:00 ||I'm joking|| 2026-04-20T12:27:11 Well it's kinda different if it's your exact voice being imitated imo 2026-04-20T12:27:47 with all that said... :Scared: any help with this 2026-04-20T12:27:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1495762906606866532/image.png?ex=69e76d42&is=69e61bc2&hm=d827d729e64d14622c528bced7165c6b9f834f936fd3857ca980bda514ecd861& 2026-04-20T12:28:45 ive played the modpack before and I have all the files so i don't know what I could have done wrong 2026-04-20T12:29:00 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1495763210333323405/image.png?ex=69e76d8b&is=69e61c0b&hm=77c193277caa363c1aaf9c6ec80e0595b82657a9f37856a0562ceb308430f325& 2026-04-20T12:29:11 Should umo reconfig it's not looking in the right folder for tes3cmd 2026-04-20T12:29:55 thank you 2026-04-20T12:31:18 "my meatflaps' vibrations are in jeopardy" 😱 2026-04-20T12:31:32 Bethesda gives excited copyright to do so so in this case you're not actually doing that in this community. 2026-04-20T12:34:17 Say somebody uses your voice and image in a video depicting some deeply deplorable act. Don't you think it could end up problematic if we live in a world where nobody can tell reality from fiction? Idk I think it's pretty reasonable. Pretty easy to say that with no stake on the line. 2026-04-20T12:34:35 well yeah I guess it wasn't the best example. I guess what I'm saying is truthfully it seems very performative because 2 years ago everyone was clapping their hands with all these voices we were getting now we're backpedaling and going no no no! 2026-04-20T12:35:35 A big part of our workflow is avoiding drama because it's demoralizing. So there is that too. 2026-04-20T12:36:40 yeah fair 2026-04-20T12:37:20 <.dwino> Can't that just be evolving understanding though... 2026-04-20T12:37:43 <.arrean> And "everyone" is a wild generalization 2026-04-20T12:38:13 sure but it was a big feat for the game 2026-04-20T12:39:31 we're not evolving to vote against our props in our cities to stop data centers but we'll fight AI voices 🤨 2026-04-20T12:40:09 <.gonzo.> The difference is we have agency with one of those things 2026-04-20T12:40:54 but we don't want to do more to be an activist over things? 2026-04-20T12:41:00 because it usually just stops here 2026-04-20T12:42:10 again AI is bad i'm not even advocating it. I am more upset because I know I have been out there I have done my part to fight AI but it's upsetting when the strongest stance is something that wouldn't put a dent in the real fight against AI 2026-04-20T12:43:20 <.arrean> What kind of argument is that? We don't need to do bare minimum because someone else is not doing more? 2026-04-20T12:43:27 <.gonzo.> It's not really a political stance lol 2026-04-20T12:43:27 because if i'm wrong, it was removed because an actor spoke up? 2026-04-20T12:43:36 Let's not lose sight of the fact as well that the AI voice lines sound stilted and janky and always have 2026-04-20T12:43:51 Well I don't know about yourself personally but I have put my own skin in the game for activist reasons for great personal legal sacrifices in my own life. I've already fought a fight like that in my life. I don't intend to fight another one but if you have that opinion it requires yourself to do something about it as well. 2026-04-20T12:44:01 <.gonzo.> We're just like maintaining a mod list ya know 2026-04-20T12:45:24 The audiobooks mod takes like six hours to download and extract for no actual benefit besides Fake Stephen Fry shouting "END OF SENTENCE ERROR" in your ear while you're fighting mudcrabs 2026-04-20T12:45:46 <.gonzo.> Yeah that one really needed a second pass on some lines lol 2026-04-20T12:46:16 ya imma be real I never even used it 2026-04-20T12:46:17 <.gonzo.> I complained about that to frogstat, but was basically blown off lol 2026-04-20T12:46:22 :cheesed: 2026-04-20T12:47:10 respect 2026-04-20T12:47:16 <.gonzo.> I have thoughts and opinions about AI, but I also think that there's very, very little I can actually do about it one way or the other 2026-04-20T12:47:21 <.gonzo.> In some ways the damage is done 2026-04-20T12:47:58 no for sure and I also get its the little things that matter here and I dont want to minimize that neither 2026-04-20T12:48:15 <.gonzo.> I think it's also the future and it will only continue to get better, but there are serious problems humanity needs to solve for it not to be a factor in getting great filtered 2026-04-20T12:48:35 <.gonzo.> Again, very little I can do but bitch about it from my armchair 2026-04-20T12:53:24 <.dwino> this is fair 2026-04-20T12:54:05 <.gonzo.> It's also aggressively octopus tentacling its way into practically everything possible so it's quickly becoming impossible to really take a hard stance against it. Like where do you draw the line? Are you going to stop using software that has AI code? If that's the case we all need to stop using openmw. That ain't happening 2026-04-20T12:56:09 <.gonzo.> Its like trying to boycott products made in China as a US citizen. Good luck have fun 2026-04-20T12:57:43 <.gonzo.> But you know what you can do is make decisions where little you do have control over. I think it's a justifiable stance 2026-04-20T13:01:49 OpenMW is vibe coded? (Thinks about my new weird fatigue problem) Yeah that makes sense 2026-04-20T13:01:52 which is very true. the app we are using has claude learning from our behavior 2026-04-20T13:02:29 Did you guys see that dumb shit Sam Altman's company posted the other day 2026-04-20T13:02:54 Sounded like Almalexia's long badly written rant from the end of Tribunal 2026-04-20T13:03:03 Anyway let's not let this get to crazy and just chill everybody. Let's please direct things to a more on topic conversation or take it further in #off-topic 2026-04-20T13:08:20 <.gonzo.> Not a lot of it, but here and there some features were. I don't fault openmw or the developers at all for using it one bit 2026-04-20T13:12:25 It's not bad or good just like any other code. Almost all things have incorporated the technology in some fashion including the Linux kernel. 2026-04-20T13:12:34 And that's the last I'll say about it 2026-04-20T13:13:13 You're describing the unavoidable outcome lol. I bet scammers worldwide are working hard at deepfake voices as is. 2026-04-20T13:21:58 How do I safely download a second mod list? 2026-04-20T13:24:20 <.gonzo.> The same way you downloaded the first list. Backup your openmw.cfg for the list you currently have so you can swap between em 2026-04-20T13:24:36 <.gonzo.> There's also better ways to manage them now like skeleton key which is in kind of a beta stage 2026-04-20T13:25:05 Contributions that rely on LLM aid are not blanket banned but they're held up to the same standards as human contributions. Contributors have to have some understanding of what they're doing and be responsive to feedback. 2026-04-20T13:26:06 How do I backup my openmw.cfg? 2026-04-20T13:26:11 The vast majority of possible regressions is currently caused by a human overlooking something. 2026-04-20T13:26:57 <.gonzo.> If you're on windows it's in documents/my games/openmw. Just copy it and save it somewhere safe, because the momw-configurator will overwrite it 2026-04-20T13:27:06 I guess technically it's 100% since overlooking something in a vibe-coded MR counts as human factor but... you get what I mean 2026-04-20T13:27:16 Okay Thank you 2026-04-20T16:08:19 this got buried after the later talk and never answered. But no really im actually curious, I get not wanting ai in the list, but Vivec Voice Addon Tribunal Version and Nastier Camonna Tong aren't ai are they? 2026-04-20T16:25:23 <.gonzo.> me and sophie decided the vivec replacer made sense to remove since we didn't have almalexia or dagoth ur voiced 2026-04-20T16:26:03 <.gonzo.> i probably just goofed with nastier camonna tong 😅 2026-04-20T16:29:24 didnt there use to have a non ai of both too, tho i think one got purged into the internet void 2026-04-20T16:29:31 :sadcat: 2026-04-20T16:29:31 <.gonzo.> it's very likely i missed some stuff also. please let me know if i did 2026-04-20T16:30:19 isnt idle talk also mainly spliced lines as well 2026-04-20T16:30:22 the quality of that mod isn't the greatest tbh 2026-04-20T16:30:48 I played with it once, but I won't use it ever again. Once is enough. 2026-04-20T16:30:52 I can't remember exactly 2026-04-20T16:31:22 didnt there use to be better vivec voice mod, maybe that one was ai, as I know the old old one isnt 2026-04-20T16:31:36 <.gonzo.> yeah i think that's right. another point that came up is that it's kind of weird just to have a couple voice mods 2026-04-20T16:32:04 honestly, always been a fan of idle talk 2026-04-20T16:32:14 cause it blends pretty well imo 2026-04-20T16:33:01 <.gonzo.> i think it's a fair consideration to bring em back. we'll talk about it 2026-04-20T16:33:05 :clavicus: idk why im even that worried i never use the momw lists straight bare anyway 2026-04-20T16:33:19 It didn't really sound like AI. It just wasn't very good. It's ok to try it out, though. Your mileage may vary. 2026-04-20T16:33:28 oh no i know its not 2026-04-20T16:33:35 its a PRE 2008 MOD 2026-04-20T16:33:44 there used to be ANOTHER better vivec mod 2026-04-20T16:33:51 it disappeared awhile back if i remember 2026-04-20T16:35:02 idle talk might have some ai, im unsure, I think the 1st release didnt 2026-04-20T16:35:14 the desc implies it might soooo 2026-04-20T16:35:16 > Adds over 200 new voice entries for NPCs, mostly using edited original voice files. 2026-04-20T16:35:39 https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/589 yeah, 2008, this is the one used 2026-04-20T16:35:50 yeah, I know 2026-04-20T16:36:05 I think momw used to use a different one at some point, but it got deleted off nexus 2026-04-20T16:36:26 think that was few years ago now 2026-04-20T17:26:09 <_tinker> Poor one out for Audiobooks, I really like the idea of it. I understand the position the team is taking though. 2026-04-20T17:45:17 "Patch: Added patch no. 91 to MOMW Patches to replace the AI-generated voice lines from Devilish Vampire Overhaul with blank audio files" 2026-04-20T17:45:27 @.gonzo. 2026-04-20T17:45:35 I'm not aware of ai generated voicelines 😄 2026-04-20T17:45:39 but I don't mind either way 2026-04-20T17:46:13 <.gonzo.> oh crap the three voice files aren't elevenAI? 2026-04-20T17:46:20 No 😄 2026-04-20T17:46:31 <.gonzo.> ok i'm sorry. i'll reinstate them 2026-04-20T17:46:56 As I said, I don't mind 2026-04-20T17:47:08 I don't have an active interest in DVO currently 2026-04-20T17:47:21 I'd probably go for a full lua mod if I get interested in it again 2026-04-20T17:47:41 Hmm well we will have to figure out which portions need to be stripped out then. Bummer. 2026-04-20T17:48:05 I had figured the vd folder was vondjangos 2026-04-20T17:48:20 I'll check it 2026-04-20T17:49:14 Ah, yes I remember 2026-04-20T17:49:32 these are actually "silent" voicefiles I used to overwrite a conflicting mod 2026-04-20T17:50:11 so, some mod from van jangos gave me trouble and I made sure to silence the voicelines 2026-04-20T17:50:26 <.gonzo.> well uhhh.. okay well then i guess my patch didn't do anything at all then 2026-04-20T17:51:40 It's just how it is sometimes. My current interest have shifted from vampires / werewolves so I just hope DVO doesn't break D 2026-04-20T17:52:10 It's like Devilish Needs, which could easily be done better with a full lua approach ala Sun's Dusk 2026-04-20T17:52:12 <.gonzo.> i'm really excited to play what you've been teasing 2026-04-20T17:52:27 Yes, the hallucination mod is quite fascinating. 2026-04-20T17:52:34 I have it open as we speak. 2026-04-20T17:53:04 hey so I did a clean reinstall today, total overhaul, just finished up and went through testing 2026-04-20T17:53:12 and fatigue is still bugged 2026-04-20T17:53:31 In what was 2026-04-20T17:53:55 what happens specifically is bartering causes fatigue to completely empty, causing you to fall to the ground once dialog ends 2026-04-20T17:54:06 the same thing happens when you try to air dash 2026-04-20T17:54:50 plus an instant message box reading "you have recovered!" 2026-04-20T17:54:58 which is hilarious 2026-04-20T17:55:54 <.gonzo.> yeah we have to decide to remove either better merchant skills or potion limit 2026-04-20T17:57:50 <.gonzo.> @mym34 do you think a compatibility patch is possible? 2026-04-20T17:58:01 <.gonzo.> or do you know of any other potion limiter mods which are compatible? 2026-04-20T17:58:47 I mean the feature seems to break solthas mod as well I guess so it seems to require 2 patches. 2026-04-20T18:01:00 <.gonzo.> bummer 🙁 2026-04-20T18:01:55 So in the meantime should I just uncheck the potion limiter mod? And/or better merchant skills 2026-04-20T18:02:19 Like is that what's doing it, are you sure? 2026-04-20T18:02:25 <.gonzo.> yeah 2026-04-20T18:02:27 Ok thanks 2026-04-20T18:09:48 I get why fatigue is used though 2026-04-20T18:10:15 I think MOMW gameplay could be enough, by disabling the specific Potion Limit option that causes the incompatibility 2026-04-20T18:11:39 But if the player enables it again, we'll have the issue again 2026-04-20T18:11:44 Yep that fixed it. Thanks again! :abs: 2026-04-20T18:11:57 AND I can slam sujamma again wow 2026-04-20T18:12:58 I could add a warning, when the option is enabled while BMS is installed, like I did with Quick Train. I cannot change BMS stat boost, because it's the core mechanic of the mod 2026-04-20T18:14:17 What should we do about solthas air dash? 2026-04-20T18:14:28 Do we need to disable it? 2026-04-20T18:15:08 Or is the potion mod now causing that for some reason 2026-04-20T18:16:07 I like the air dash I use it a lot 2026-04-20T18:16:14 Yeah I do too 2026-04-20T18:17:18 It's fun. The potion and stats limiter which breaks the game to prevent alchemy cheesing (which is also fun) feels like it's doing too much, by comparison 2026-04-20T18:21:04 I'd rather have that part over bartering if one needs to be chosen over the other tbh. 2026-04-20T18:25:05 <.hemaris> this happens to me whenever i have to go to the store, too 2026-04-20T18:25:53 Okay! I'm back! Hi! Is there anything here I can help with? 2026-04-20T18:27:33 We checked and our pipeline seemed fine did you happen to check if your branch was maybe set to private? Deploy seems to work under our end. Would love to get that merged. 🙂 2026-04-20T18:27:57 Lemme check 2026-04-20T18:28:21 oh also my Wolverine Hall is fixed! 2026-04-20T18:28:22 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995021436924203199/1495853647991673042/20DF991.JPG?ex=69e7c1c5&is=69e67045&hm=de845718a387ace846f07affea0eae147bfd3a81eceec3c832413a6ff1066c57& 2026-04-20T18:28:47 I never specified the original problem but it had reverted back to vanilla mid-playthrough 2026-04-20T18:29:20 Nope, it's public I have no idea why the pipeline is doing that It doesn't sound like a good idea, but is there any way to skip the pipeline for the merge? 2026-04-20T18:29:33 Oh that looks really good, what modlist is that? 2026-04-20T18:29:40 Total Overhaul! 2026-04-20T18:30:54 I might have to check it out in the future... 2026-04-20T18:30:55 I can just direct commit it for you if that's okay. I shouldn't need to though. 🤔 2026-04-20T18:31:36 That would be okay! 2026-04-20T18:31:51 It's just a weird issue for there to be 2026-04-20T18:32:05 Do you need to setup gitlab runners for each fork? 2026-04-20T18:34:55 We have had outside contributors before with no issue so I'm not really sure what's going on. I added you as a maintainer for now in any case. We had a minor issue and maybe permissions were temporarily changed. 2026-04-20T18:35:55 I see 2026-04-20T18:36:56 You'll be handling the direct commit, right? Asking just to be sure 2026-04-20T18:37:57 yeah ill take care of this and mention you as the author with a message back to the mr 🙂 2026-04-20T18:44:54 <.gonzo.> hopefully we can get that worked out, but don't hesitate to just make a branch in the main repo 🙂 2026-04-20T18:47:56 if it was a fork i think it might be a custom runner issue yeah 2026-04-20T19:13:06 The mod doesnt seem to have any settings that I can tell. But maybe if your looking for something in the future it seems like a fun project for you. Your really good with stats and similar. 🙂 2026-04-20T19:21:56 to go back to this am I typing .\umo.exe 2026-04-20T19:22:02 or what would I be putting with --only-tools 2026-04-20T19:23:32 The Potion Limit mod has a setting that makes you faint when your stats are too high. I think it's disabled by default, or maybe MOMW gameplay already disables it. I think the best way to fix it would be to have a new way to control price services, like dehardcoding the service windows, or use Ralts' new inventory/barter mod 2026-04-20T19:25:02 unless its like this? .\momw-configurator config -v --run-validator --only-tools expanded-vanilla 2026-04-20T19:27:28 <.gonzo.> i couldn't find any options for that mod when i looked 🤔 2026-04-20T19:27:42 <.gonzo.> possibly need to get my eyes checked 2026-04-20T19:27:56 now is adding new mods the same thing. check them on openmw then run the config? 2026-04-20T19:28:06 <.gonzo.> yep 2026-04-20T19:28:17 <.gonzo.> just make sure you use --only-tools otherwise it'll override your changes 2026-04-20T19:28:45