2026-05-22T01:09:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Ohhh yea, don't even try to say this isn't awesome.
2026-05-22T01:10:00  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/260450471448281088/1507188746020196382/nost.mp4?ex=6a10fe67&is=6a0face7&hm=7a1d8ec746e8f8f49d41ac1e4376f7474977d5b7a3403ae8aa346ae3c7646d42&
2026-05-22T01:10:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> The video quality isn't that's for sure...
2026-05-22T01:22:42  <OpenMW-bridge> <slowchu> it doesnt look like I remember on xbox
2026-05-22T01:37:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> It's this https://github.com/MrMilenko/Theseus/releases/tag/v0.3.3  With this https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58387
2026-05-22T01:46:15  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> looks like I'm done using KDE
2026-05-22T01:47:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> ?
2026-05-22T02:03:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> He's going to replace his desktop with the Xbox ui
2026-05-22T02:15:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Fair play
2026-05-22T02:27:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Lol that would be horrible,  however as a fun little emulation box or htpc I could see this being kinda neat.
2026-05-22T02:28:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Super lite linux distro, if you could remove the splash screen.
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2026-05-22T04:47:57  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Seems bungie is a foot in the grave
2026-05-22T04:48:58  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> All in dev destiny 2 dlc canned, game is end of life announced, destiny 3 is not in dev at all and they're going to layoff a large chunk of the studio.
2026-05-22T04:49:03  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :yagrwut:
2026-05-22T04:52:10  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Tbh bungie has a bad case of Sony over expectations i feel
2026-05-22T04:52:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Sony expected them to be some key studio that sells AAAA sales and beats records lol
2026-05-22T04:53:53  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> And pumps way to much money into them which eventually they don't make back which in turn has Sony  Crack down
2026-05-22T04:56:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> They should have stuck with halo
2026-05-22T04:56:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> They make decent games
2026-05-22T04:57:07  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> But Sony expects it to be some sort of top chart releases like halo tbh
2026-05-22T04:57:53  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Its a mix of that and expectations video game sales will former balloon higher and higher i think
2026-05-22T04:58:48  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Its kinda like how movies were for awhile
2026-05-22T04:59:01  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Everything HAD to be a blockbuster
2026-05-22T04:59:09  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Or its a failure
2026-05-22T05:00:54  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> yo dawg they got tha FATX HDD browser in here
2026-05-22T05:00:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Do you have
2026-05-22T05:00:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> any fucking idea
2026-05-22T05:01:21  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> How hard it is to format a fresh PATA drive for an xbox from scratch if you can't read the EEPROM directly off the board
2026-05-22T05:01:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> First you have to go dig up your neighbor's dell from 2006 and hope it still boots
2026-05-22T05:01:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Could I get that in English
2026-05-22T05:02:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> that's as polite as it can get
2026-05-22T05:02:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :clavicus:
2026-05-22T05:02:18  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Then you gotta find a working CD drive somewhere, pray to god
2026-05-22T05:02:29  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I don't even remember the grandpa ass Linux image you had to run
2026-05-22T05:02:33  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> That almost never worked
2026-05-22T05:02:38  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> And, oh, but wait
2026-05-22T05:03:08  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Because we have to power the system on, so it unlocks the disk, and then you disconnect the data cable from the drive and hook it into the slave portion of the PC's pata cable and then boot the PC
2026-05-22T05:03:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Just to get the fucking disk lock key to put in a real HDD/SSD
2026-05-22T05:03:25  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Idk what the fuck you're even talking about, gonna be real. Why we talking about formatting an Xbox
2026-05-22T05:03:31  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> 😔
2026-05-22T05:04:10  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> > Xbox HDD browser that opens qcow2 and FATX images
2026-05-22T05:04:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Oh its about that
2026-05-22T05:04:25  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> I tho it was just some ui app
2026-05-22T05:04:28  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Lmao
2026-05-22T05:04:38  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> tl;dr recovering one of these things will not require a testicle and ritual sacrifice
2026-05-22T05:05:22  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> oh wait
2026-05-22T05:05:35  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> No actually that doesn't help at all why would you even have this
2026-05-22T05:05:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I guess it's neat tho
2026-05-22T05:06:09  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> You edit the ini and have it launch anything you want from any location
2026-05-22T05:06:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> And those show up in the dashboard
2026-05-22T05:06:27  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> No I meant the disk image browser specifically
2026-05-22T05:06:38  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Oh
2026-05-22T05:06:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> implies you would, like, back up an already-unlocked disk
2026-05-22T05:06:55  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Or just... slap one in?
2026-05-22T05:07:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Which, I guess you could, but, I'd just FTP, and also, usually I have the games on a computer and a live unit... but w/e
2026-05-22T05:07:28  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> the theme creator does look sick
2026-05-22T05:07:37  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Doing that was always balls even on a nice dash
2026-05-22T05:07:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> I'm not sure what they do about that.  I did it the long way but now with this I'll just have xemu directly load the xiso using this
2026-05-22T05:08:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> who the fuck ships xiso
2026-05-22T05:08:30  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> I create then lol
2026-05-22T05:08:35  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Them
2026-05-22T05:08:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> can't it just run default.xbe tho
2026-05-22T05:08:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> the xisos are bloated, I think, aren't they?
2026-05-22T05:09:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> guess prolly better for transfer tho
2026-05-22T05:09:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I'm just wondering why use xiso
2026-05-22T05:09:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Idk, it's just how I learned to do it back in the day and the habit stuck
2026-05-22T05:11:46  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Does xemu load normal iso images?
2026-05-22T05:11:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> It likes xiso for sure
2026-05-22T05:12:12  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I've never used xemu or either ISO format
2026-05-22T05:12:25  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> everyone I know just uses loose files
2026-05-22T05:13:00  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I know modern dashes can boot iso but I never bothered
2026-05-22T05:13:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> On my Xbox itself yea I use loose files
2026-05-22T05:13:05  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> since most of the rips are ftp
2026-05-22T05:13:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <duron27> Xemu loads xiso though.  Unless you install a dashboard and install the game old school. Which is what I was doing a week ago
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2026-05-22T11:58:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> So looks like I'm in an unfortunate position of having to build myself a pc. Leaning towards an AMD GPU. I half-remember hearing there were some driver issues. E.g. launcher antialiasing needing to be disabled, which I'm fine with. Anything else I'm missing?
2026-05-22T12:10:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <batra> Very unfortunate timing.
2026-05-22T12:11:09  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I am well aware
2026-05-22T12:13:06  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I am reusing storage, so that's a relief at least, and have the peripherals but bleugh
2026-05-22T12:30:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Its obvious
2026-05-22T12:31:03  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> You need to buy an intel arc
2026-05-22T12:31:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Duh
2026-05-22T12:31:08  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :clavicus:
2026-05-22T12:34:31  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> For OpenMW, that's a bad choice, as their OpenGL implementation is via a very slow translation layer, and if you use Mesa's/Microsoft's GL-on-12 thing, while it helps with performance a chunk, we've had reports of frequent crashing from users.
2026-05-22T12:36:13  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> I see graphical glitches with that on AMD GPUs, so probably similar to what you might see on Intel.
2026-05-22T12:37:26  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> Are you reporting the problems upstream? It's niche enough that they probably won't know about the bugs unless you tell them.
2026-05-22T12:38:12  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> That about Arc, right?
2026-05-22T12:38:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Actually probably can, don't have to use Kinux to report that.
2026-05-22T12:40:24  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> Yep.
2026-05-22T12:40:43  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Phew 😅
2026-05-22T12:41:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Am not going arc, doesn't fit what I was planning, but good to know
2026-05-22T12:41:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> In anycase, if you want to secure a GPU to play Morrowind/OpenMW better, I recommend Nvidia. You avoid this nasty bug, and if OpenMW's implementation of bindless textures gets completed, you would be able to use it as that is Nvidia-only. https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw/-/work_items/8274
2026-05-22T12:42:18  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> And they update for longer.
2026-05-22T12:42:38  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-fuck-you-linus-linux-torvalds-gif-14466816460290694115
2026-05-22T12:42:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I mean
2026-05-22T12:43:15  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> No, there are more reasons not to go nvidia, including asinine pricing, though on that front amd is not much better these days
2026-05-22T12:43:35  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> And that -I'm holding out hope will be resolved one day. Cause if not -that's just silly
2026-05-22T12:44:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Sure...
2026-05-22T12:44:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <batra> Nvidia stinky
2026-05-22T12:45:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> Unless there's a horrible bug in the Radeon drivers, I don't expect it'll be long that bindless is exclusive to Nvidia. It's just that none of the people who might be able to make it work and use a Radeon GPU have felt a pressing need to poke at it while it's still so far away from being merged.
2026-05-22T12:46:21  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I would've been surprised if an open source project had anything nvidia exclusive for long
2026-05-22T12:47:22  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Anyway. Think Imma shop around for a few days in hopes of finding a better ram deal, and if not - gonna pull the trigger. This old shitbox laptop while lifesaving atm, can barely run a browser let alone anything else
2026-05-22T13:10:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> There's no multiple choices.
2026-05-22T13:10:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I know what my favourite is :doitswit:
2026-05-22T13:12:05  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> Too easy
2026-05-22T13:12:20  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Ikr
2026-05-22T13:48:24  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :aygurl:
2026-05-22T13:51:07  <OpenMW-bridge> <qlonever> :sipsshein: is jiub though
2026-05-22T13:51:07  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> I know that if you could, you would pick :clavicus: .
2026-05-22T13:51:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Yes
2026-05-22T13:51:26  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> I like him
2026-05-22T13:51:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> He has good energy
2026-05-22T13:51:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :clavicus:
2026-05-22T13:51:36  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> do you know who voiced him?
2026-05-22T13:51:50  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> It was like todd im assuming
2026-05-22T13:51:53  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> yeah
2026-05-22T13:52:13  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> You have a 50:50 chance guess todd voiced it pre skyrim thi
2026-05-22T13:52:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :doitswit:
2026-05-22T13:53:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> In an alt timeline todd became a full time voice actor im sure
2026-05-22T13:54:27  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> he is the head of chess club
2026-05-22T13:55:33  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Well atleast bethesda makes money these days
2026-05-22T13:55:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Apparently bungie doesn't
2026-05-22T13:55:42  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :36vehks: :36vehks: :36vehks:
2026-05-22T14:02:48  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> Traditionally, that's been pretty common. Nvidia had an era around 2015-ish where they were making far more money from gaming GPUs than they needed for R&D to stay ahead of AMD, so they hired engineers to contribute Nvidia-exclusive features like CUDA backends to open-source projects.
2026-05-22T14:06:33  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> OpenMW modding is cool and all, but does it have highly advanced sailing mechanics yet? Daggerfall going hard in the year 2026!
2026-05-22T14:06:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/260450471448281088/1507384174456340480/2026_05_19_22_35_39.jpg?ex=6a11b469&is=6a1062e9&hm=0c8a47a8de1b1ecd54f14d864fd6edb24446388af7133d1f7887d73a38b6a18d&
2026-05-22T14:06:54  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> nope the only boat mod i've seen is pretty jankity
2026-05-22T14:07:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Morrowind had sailing before daggerfall uity existed :scarytodd:
2026-05-22T14:07:41  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> and that was only riding, not actually driving the ship
2026-05-22T14:07:57  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> piloting the ship? what's the verb for ship moving
2026-05-22T14:08:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> There are a couple
2026-05-22T14:08:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> does sailing work for all ships, or just sailboats? 🤔
2026-05-22T14:08:50  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> I don't which one you're talking about, but the one I'm thinking of is definitely sailing.
2026-05-22T14:09:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> Morrowind has definitely had some crazy shit over the years. I've never seen a really solid proper sailing mod, but I wouldn't doubt it existing tbh
2026-05-22T14:10:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> Come Sail Away for DFU is sick though https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/1131
2026-05-22T14:10:19  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Still nothing advanced btw.
2026-05-22T14:10:30  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> I don't think MWSE has anything like that either
2026-05-22T14:10:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> But flying ships, is pretty good so far?
2026-05-22T14:11:29  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> oh yeah, there's been some crazy airship mods. Hell, the first one I remember that allowed full control was done entirely "vanilla", no mwse or openmw at all
2026-05-22T14:11:48  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Morrowind Mod History has all kinds of crazy experiments, and if you dig deep in Nexus.
2026-05-22T14:13:50  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Anyway, here: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56471
2026-05-22T14:14:05  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> RIP MMH. I'm glad it's archived, but it is so much harder to search for stuff you don't already know exists these days
2026-05-22T14:14:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Keywords are pretty easy tbh
2026-05-22T14:15:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Its definitely not like browsing though yeah
2026-05-22T14:15:36  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> yeah it's a discoverability thing, if you don't know what to search, 🤷‍♀️
2026-05-22T14:16:27  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> This is cool, might have to mess around with it a little haha
2026-05-22T14:18:18  <OpenMW-bridge> <daisyhasacat> my airship mod works pretty OK in water, trouble is the waterways in MW are so full of crap you can't get around very easily
2026-05-22T14:18:20  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> yeah very true
2026-05-22T14:18:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <daisyhasacat> Gondolas and such should work pretty well though
2026-05-22T14:21:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> On video this is also pretty nice despite some limitations of the game.
2026-05-22T14:22:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Much better than some other attempts.
2026-05-22T14:24:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <Capo> if only 00s modders didn't make sailing mods so that we wouldn't have to sort out minor physics implementation difference bs
2026-05-22T14:26:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> This is one is for OpenMW.
2026-05-22T14:27:09  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> I mean, Stormrider is pretty big
2026-05-22T14:27:20  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55408
2026-05-22T14:27:31  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> (Once patched).
2026-05-22T14:27:47  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> it's also quite recent, i.e. last patch from Dec 2025
2026-05-22T14:27:49  <OpenMW-bridge> <Capo> the catch is that works okay for me without patching
2026-05-22T14:28:11  <OpenMW-bridge> <Capo> so i can't even do anything about the tracker issues that complain about something about that
2026-05-22T14:28:29  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> They complain about specific things.
2026-05-22T14:28:49  <OpenMW-bridge> <Capo> it would be cool if they complained about non-specific things
2026-05-22T14:28:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Will do a step by step if one doesn't have that.
2026-05-22T14:29:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Its always todd things here
2026-05-22T14:31:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> That's an expansion isn't it? The original mod had to patched a while agoe to work.
2026-05-22T14:31:41  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> This one doesn't require it.
2026-05-22T14:31:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Nice.
2026-05-22T14:32:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> Maybe just ignore the original mod issues :todd:
2026-05-22T14:33:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <abdu7944> No video, but if its sailing like the original mod its probably not as good as the one above.
2026-05-22T16:48:35  <OpenMW-bridge> <notfuji_> They added wind and momentum to some degree
2026-05-22T16:51:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> it's Warhammer Skulls, folks. If you want to try sth Warhammery, now is a good time https://store.steampowered.com/sale/skulls2026
2026-05-22T16:51:50  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> :datchim:  killing it
2026-05-22T18:08:43  <OpenMW-bridge> <seth1106> got my recall spot in yo mama's bedchambers, N'wah
2026-05-22T19:11:03  <OpenMW-bridge> <susan00002> MORROWIND IS THE GREATEST GAME GOD GAVE MAN
2026-05-22T19:12:35  <OpenMW-bridge> <susan00002> IT IS BETTER THAN FALLOUT BETTER THAN SKYRIM
2026-05-22T19:12:54  <OpenMW-bridge> <susan00002> I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE QUESTIONS IT
2026-05-22T19:29:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <seth1106> what happened?
2026-05-22T19:48:58  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> They can't read
2026-05-22T19:49:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Hear me out, fallout but it plays like morrowind
2026-05-22T19:49:56  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> With a mega map like fo1-2
2026-05-22T19:50:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> :clavicus:
2026-05-22T19:50:13  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Morrowind era graphics too obv
2026-05-22T19:52:06  <OpenMW-bridge> <come1244> I guess it's doable with openMW.
2026-05-22T19:52:15  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> I would love a New Vegas type game with less overall narrative focus like morrowind but they can coexist just fine fo me
2026-05-22T19:53:21  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Fallout should be the ultimate choice/consequence RPG with crazy good dialogue
2026-05-22T19:53:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <come1244> it would be even easier if we could open fallouts 3/NV with openmw CS 😢
2026-05-22T20:00:10  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Only other true favorites I have are Dishonored and Thief
2026-05-22T20:01:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> and VtMB
2026-05-22T20:02:31  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> & stalker anomaly
2026-05-22T20:02:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> yeah das da list
2026-05-22T20:04:54  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> baldur's gate 3 was pretty excellent overall too
2026-05-22T20:06:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> I haven't played a lot of Daggerfall yet
2026-05-22T20:11:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Tbh i feel modern rpg methods and modern engines hold back fallout from being more like fo1 but 3d
2026-05-22T20:11:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Modern game design holds back everything in general
2026-05-22T20:11:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> Fnv at the end of the day relies on voice
2026-05-22T20:12:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Voice acting has been one of the worst things to happen to gaming in general
2026-05-22T20:12:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> I think a lot of what makes og fallout and morrowind open to modding is its text centered
2026-05-22T20:12:46  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> And not voice with a side of text
2026-05-22T20:12:54  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Expensive as fuck, memory consuming, can't write me a real novel
2026-05-22T20:13:48  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> I think a fallout with the morrowind dialogue system could be fun
2026-05-22T20:13:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> New Vegas does a good job with what they completed
2026-05-22T20:13:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> I love the keyword system
2026-05-22T20:14:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> With a more open ended plot
2026-05-22T20:14:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> The problem is they fucking scrapped it
2026-05-22T20:14:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Instead of improving and iterating on the design
2026-05-22T20:14:27  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> That
2026-05-22T20:16:58  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> If morrowind had ragdolls you would never hear another complaint about it from even the goofiest ppl
2026-05-22T20:44:03  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> yeah i would rather they spend money on writing than voice acting. preferably both, though, budget allowing
2026-05-22T20:44:19  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> very few games have really impressed me with its writing
2026-05-22T20:52:26  <OpenMW-bridge> <notfuji_> I don’t think New Vegas would be nearly as good without voice acting.  A lot of that game lives in funny dialogue
2026-05-22T20:56:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> Voice acting can elevate a game. Let's not confuse weak ass and repetitive Bethesa VA with good VA.
2026-05-22T21:16:29  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> tbh a large chunk of the most well known VA stuff in that is technically greeting lines i believe lol
2026-05-22T21:16:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> 🤔
2026-05-22T21:17:04  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> the benefit of no/low voice acting is that you can really expand on the writing, but very few games actually take advantage of it
2026-05-22T21:17:27  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> disco elysium had its cake and ate it too
2026-05-22T21:17:29  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> like benny's most well known lines are GREETINGS which could still work in a more morrowind style
2026-05-22T21:17:30  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> imo
2026-05-22T21:17:46  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> but im not saying turn fnv into morrowind
2026-05-22T21:17:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> meant a more fo1 style game
2026-05-22T21:18:00  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> actually why not just remake fo1 in openmw
2026-05-22T21:18:30  <OpenMW-bridge> <rrrrrrrrr> its probably a decent form to adapt it to 3d as you can do a big ass unified map with it
2026-05-22T21:25:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> That's the main reason why they went with narrator for the protagonist in BG3 instead of recording the same lines many times with different VA because of various race and gender combos. VA imposes heavy restrictions. Every time you want to add some throwaway line, a snarky comment, meme option etc., you really have to consider whether it's worth it. There is also a huge pressure to limit the player choices when it comes to
2026-05-22T21:25:44  <OpenMW-bridge> character creation because the more choices the are, the trickier VA gets.
2026-05-22T21:28:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> oh, and there are also translations. Lol
2026-05-22T21:30:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <mihawk6832> I hate to say it but
2026-05-22T21:30:07  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> DE released with much less voiceacting, and a fuckton of writing. And then they went in and voiced all the remaining stuff, and replaced some of existing VA
2026-05-22T21:30:10  <OpenMW-bridge> <mihawk6832> this is where AI can be really useful
2026-05-22T21:30:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <mihawk6832> reserving important lines for VA while filling in smaller stuff with trained AI
2026-05-22T21:31:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <mihawk6832> whilst compensating VAs ofc
2026-05-22T21:33:41  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> i wish we saw this from more games
2026-05-22T21:33:49  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> go back and record more stuff after making bank
2026-05-22T21:34:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <.gonzo.> i'd rather see that than lame content updates
2026-05-22T21:35:05  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> If it's lame content, then yeah
2026-05-22T21:35:15  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I dunno. I'd still prefer more content over that.VA never was a big immersion driver for me. one of my all time favs is KotOR 2 and it has barely any VA.   Non-lame content that its
2026-05-22T21:35:21  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> But people expect game support nowadays
2026-05-22T21:37:32  <OpenMW-bridge> <cybvep> Maybe it'a good that they do because then a year after release everybody can trash talk Bethesda for leaving Oblivion Remastered in a bad state :36vehks: . Funnily enough, it's not evemn them, but it's still interpreted that way.
2026-05-22T21:47:21  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Forgot disco elysium, that was a top tier experience
2026-05-22T21:50:44  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Agreed, context matters. It's just the rush toward every game being a different flavor of the same thing. It takes actual creativity and some level of competency to make a great game that is unique or really exemplifies the genre
2026-05-22T21:52:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Game support in general could be continued expansion on existing mechanics too, not just bug fixes. I wish more devs would let their teams continue to work on the cool shit they did and improve it after launch
2026-05-22T21:55:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> But you prolly have to see your game as a piece of art and not just a product
2026-05-22T22:00:09  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> The way bethesda modders do. . . .
2026-05-22T22:39:30  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> Yeah I imagine other people have watched the pillars 2 retrospectives from Sawyer where he talks about what an ordeal voice acting is
2026-05-22T22:40:51  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> Although I can't tell if it's just the shortened dialogue or booting avellone but I think pillars 2 dialogue is tighter in a way I like. Like imo it seems like they did a good job with that shift but it was just a pain internally.
2026-05-22T22:44:14  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> Controversially I like AI voice acting as background noise, I always read faster than they speak but silent NPCs make the world feel dead to me. A few games absolutely leverage VA for cinematic appeal like Mass Effect but in Bethesda games I want the general illusion the world is alive which bad VA quality breaks but the janky AI VA doesn't. I would still obviously lean to the preference of people willingly
2026-05-22T22:44:14  <OpenMW-bridge> training and providing their own voice models for modding / free projects and my enjoyment of AI voice acting here is purely like a subjective thing while playing the game and not an endorsement of how voice actors are treated. I think for games like Morrowind where nobody is doing VA otherwise the impact is probably low but for stuff like the later games I'm sure many people got important VA experience on mods that now is not as
2026-05-22T22:44:15  <OpenMW-bridge> available to them.
2026-05-22T23:34:28  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Avellone is an incredible writer but idk I do think he errs... A little too old school
2026-05-22T23:34:36  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Like his shit is all so verbose, you know
2026-05-22T23:34:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> It's not BAD
2026-05-22T23:34:45  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Bro just doesn't really get to the point
2026-05-22T23:36:40  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Prey (2017) is a masterpiece of imm-simmery and game mechanics and high brow without being pretentious. It just lacked in the natural absurdity of cosmic horror, not quite enough dark humor in the writing imo. Excellent VA performances tho. But it's still a banger
2026-05-22T23:37:59  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> He took an entire game to say "fate bad, free will good" haha. I still love KOTOR 2.
2026-05-22T23:38:17  <OpenMW-bridge> <notfuji_> I feel like Avellone struggles to write characters who aren’t warrior poet guy who speaks in incomplete sentences
2026-05-22T23:38:37  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Big fan of that one
2026-05-22T23:38:39  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> I am too tho
2026-05-22T23:38:49  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> Just one???
2026-05-22T23:39:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <S3c:tor> That's like, the entire thesis of PS:T if we wanna break it down that far lmao
2026-05-22T23:50:18  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> One run in prey I found/hunted down all the crew members, living and dead, to kill them and resurrect them as phantoms, just so I could kill them again to harvest their organs to make more neuromods (upgrade points) out of them. and that's like, good game design yo
2026-05-22T23:52:22  <OpenMW-bridge> <Capo> https://tenor.com/view/snapcube-eggman-sonic-mad-gif-4690839676718411458
2026-05-22T23:53:16  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> I did quite love dead money but I do buy into the meme that avellone is a bit of a one trick pony
2026-05-22T23:53:23  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> I could care less about Durance
2026-05-22T23:53:52  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> When I played Prey I maxed out the number of neuromods I could have and ended up feeding some to the recycler to turn into bullets. Killing humans to get more is crazy.
2026-05-22T23:54:34  <OpenMW-bridge> <jojy> Hot take maybe but I think it's the best NV DLV
2026-05-22T23:54:38  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> I had deployed a lot of autoturrets, though, so 'maxed out' excluded a bunch of typhon abilities.
2026-05-22T23:54:58  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> I was trying to fully upgrade a NG+ character
2026-05-22T23:55:01  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> Thank for reminding me about prey I've been meaning play it forever and I beat me3 and needed another game I feasibly could play on my TV with a steam controller, which since I like stealth I think will work fine despite my bad controller aiming
2026-05-22T23:55:42  <OpenMW-bridge> <anyoldname3> The noise the recycler makes in Prey is the best thing in it, and that's not said as a criticism of the game.
2026-05-22T23:55:48  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Decided headcanon my character just lost their shit and went full murder
2026-05-22T23:56:08  <OpenMW-bridge> <liammellofarley> The second they put urbaniak in owb the debate was ended for me as a huge venture bros stan. I enjoyed owb more but I enjoyed reflecting on dead money more if that makes sense
2026-05-22T23:57:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> I've played through 2017 prey once and didn't use a single neuromod on purpose
2026-05-22T23:57:31  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Was disappointed a bit there's not an achievement. But at least game acknowledged it in the end
2026-05-22T23:57:49  <OpenMW-bridge> <atlanteanautist> Prey is excellent, there's just a shitload of creativity in the mechanics. Atmosphere slaps hard. Music is amazing. Alladat
2026-05-22T23:58:02  <OpenMW-bridge> <zestybonew_95605> How can I heal with a sword in hand?
2026-05-22T23:58:13  <OpenMW-bridge> <.arrean> Drink potions
2026-05-22T23:58:43  <OpenMW-bridge> <zestybonew_95605> Ah so I cant use a heal spell like in arena or any other ES game?